The Silver Dollar Room Disaster
Cats: Music Culture, Music Production, Music Promotion|By James Pew
I was the show promoter last Saturday, Aug. 23 at the Silver Dollar Room in Toronto. We organized four rock bands to play the night, including Monster America, a band that is on our label Broken Window Records, and is currently recording a new record at Euphonic Sound.
The night was a complete disaster. And sadly the trouble could have been easily avoided. Here is the play by play:
First band goes on at around 9:30. Within minuets its clear to me that there needs to be an adjustment in the live sound mix. The problem is that the volume is far exceeding a safe listening threshold. It felt more like a tortuous sonic assault then something people should be enjoying.
If you’ve ever been to the Silver Dollar than you can visualize the layout of the room. For those who haven’t been, picture a rectangle, with the bar along one of the long sides and the stage on the opposite side. This set up is not ideal as the audience members are approx. 20-25 feet away from the stage.
For whatever reason the owners of the establishment chose to set it up this way – possibly out of some sort of logistic necessity, or to maximize seating in the remaining area of the club. This wasn’t my problem.
After the first band left the stage I approached Vlad Skokovich the sound tech. I introduced myself as the show promoter (technically the person who organized and is running the show), and politely & diplomatically asked him to reduce the volume. His response was – “I don’t work that way.” When I persisted his response was “Go F**K Yourself.” At this point I realized I was not going to accomplish anything by speaking with this idiot. So I turned to the manager for help.
Long story short – The manager told Vlad to cut the levels. He did it but then refused to continuing mixing the show. He opted instead to sit in the empty backroom amongst the pool tables. When Monster America hit the stage the overall volume was much more manageable – but now the problem was the lead vocal was barely audible. I walked into the back room and asked Vlad to go back to the mixing console and turn up the vocal. His response – “Go F**K Yourself.”
I turned to management for the second time. And they told me with straight faces, while the sound tech who was supposed to be mixing the show, sat sulking on a backroom table, that it was the fault of the bands that the sound wasn’t any good. When I pointed out that Vlad was not doing his job, their response was that I had somehow insulted him. Management showed an inability, and dis-interest, in solving the problem or assigning accountability. I realized then that it was a big mistake to have brought a show to the Silver Dollar as the leadership there was completely out to lunch and unable to meet my needs.
After much deliberation – and more than 2/3 of the way through Monster Americas set. Management told me that they had spoken with Vlad and that he had agreed to allow me to mix the remainder of the show. So I was left with two options:
1. Do nothing and have the problem remain unresolved.
2. Or go up to a mixing console that I’ve never seen or used before, and start learning and experimenting with it during the last two songs of Monster America.
In no other business would this type of conduct and mismanagement be acceptable. But this is the music business. Every day I’m beginning to connect the dots more and more as to why the music business is in such trouble. But I still have to ask – Why is it accepted that when you go see an indie rock band you are going to need ear plugs? substance-abusers, or unqualified, or criminal, etc.
Last night Remi Stevens dropped by the studio for a visit – so I vented my frustrations to him. He made an interesting point. He said it would not be acceptable for a venue to sell partially poisoned beverages that would harm the health of patrons, so why is it acceptable to subject those same patrons to sound pressure levels which are proven to harm their hearing.
The Show at the Silver Dollar was a disaster – and I don’t think anything will be done about it. This is the music business I guess my only choice is to accept that
P.S. Vlad…Go F**K Yourself!
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August 25th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Hey James,
Sorry you had to deal with so much crap. I knew something weird was going on… I didn’t know it was that bad.
As always, though, we sincerely appreciate the work you and the Broken Window team put into the show.
Looking forward to seeing you back in the studio this weekend.
Sincerely,
Jake Dudas
Monster America
August 26th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
sht man, now im thinking they do serve red bull and vodka to the patrons. . .
August 26th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
On behalf on The Silver Dollar Room management and tech staff I`d like to take responsibility for what`s being refered to as the Aug.23rd Disaster @ The Dollar and apologize to James Pew, Euphonic Sound, Monster America and the other acts on the show. Our sound tech who worked on the show in question was out of line and did not represent the venue in a positive way. In the 14 years that I`ve been part of the team at The Silver Dollar Room, this is the first time we`ve been embarrassed by the actions of one of our tech staff. It`s usual procedure for the 3 sound techs on staff to cooperate with musician`s and promoters alike to try an provide the best sound possible for all shows and all the diverse styles of music we present. Saturday`s situation has be brought to the attention of our general manager who represents the owners and we will take steps to make sure that it doesn`t happen again. The tech in question has been with the club for a long time, he`ll be repremanded and instructed to adjust his attitude. We strongly believe that everyone should get a second chance when they screw up.
Gary Kendall
Entertainment Manager/Talent Buyer/Publicist
The Silver Dollar Room
August 27th, 2008 at 7:53 am
Thanks Gary. I appreciate that. And I agree we all do make mistakes. I’m sure this was an isolated case, as the Silver Dollar is a classic Toronto venue that consistently puts on great shows with great artists.
August 28th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
It’s easy enough to blame ‘The Silver Dollar Room Disaster’ on the first band, but after our second song, I spoke directly into the microphone (which was already said to have been TOO loud) and asked, “How are the levels? Is everything okay?” With no reply, we continued playing thinking all was well. Yes, obvious joke here could have been that the lack of response from the audience was because we made them deaf, but let’s be honest, someone knew what I was asking.
We apologize for any damaged hearing, but as any musician knows, it is far more difficult to judge your sound when you’re on stage than in the audience.
A simple “turn it down” would have been more appreciated than this digital diatribe.
Andrew Jones
Polarcare
September 4th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Andrew
Nobody is blaming Polarcare for the sound issues. The sound tech was responsible. I’m surprised that no one in the audience spoke up when you asked how everything was. It just goes to show how accepted it is that rock shows are always so painfully loud. Besides who wants to be seen as the person complaining that its to loud? In our culture Rock is supposed to be loud and anyone who thinks differently is a wimp. A sad fact indeed. Thanks for your work at the show, you guys played great.
James
September 16th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
I agree that the music business is in trouble but I doubt it has much to do with the fact that “…people working in this business are often unprofessional, or inept, or substance-abusers, or unqualified, or criminal, etc.”
And I’m quite sure that the rot runs a whole lot deeper than an inept sound man!
However, I can’t comment on the Silver Dollar itself nor on its sound man, given that we haven’t managed to convince Gary to let us play there yet
But the above generalization of the industry makes me wonder if I can make a general comment about people who do sound.
In my experience, most are very good at what they do and most of them really do like music. But many are bigger divas than the musicians they are mixing and you do not want to piss them off. They can, if they choose to, make you sound really bad.
In my rock band days I used to live in fear of sound check because I have a knack for pissing people off pretty much accidentally in general.
And then there was a sound man who flicked his lit cigarette at our road manager when he was asked to fiddle with whatever it was. A “Go f**k yourself” would have at least been less dangerous, lol.
My current jazz/blues band can do its own sound if necessary depending on the venue. But rock bands pretty much need help no matter where they are playing. So, I have also met a lot of really great folks who do sound.
Sound techs in bars are often poorly paid. They have to mix a lot of crappy bands. No offence, but maybe even your band, dear reader. Every band thinks they are ‘The Bomb’ but they can’t all be right! Sound techs, bartenders, servers etc. must all have some nights of pure torture.
Again, remember, I’m not AT ALL commenting specifically on what happened at the Silver Dollar – I am only offering this as something else to think about:
Musicians – do you walk into the bar like you own the place and treat the tech like the maid? Or do you walk in and introduce yourself, shake the tech’s hand, whatever/etc.? Do you realize that they are a partner in the concert-to-be? How many bands ever think of tipping the sound tech or at least offering to buy them a drink when he/she makes you sound amazing? I’m not talking about ass kissing here, just simple respect and acknowledgment of the fact that it is a symbiotic relationship. Be cool, and maybe gradually things will change and the sound techs who tend to be pricks will be less so.
September 17th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Hello Studio Manifesto,
I found your article via the PsyBlog about loud music in bars.
I applaud and commend your efforts to have actual reasonable volumes in clubs, not ones that will cause hearing damage.
The addage of “If it’s too loud, you’re too old” is ridiculous, and especially with todays technology.
I think it’s more appropriate “If it’s too loud, you will have the hearing of an eighty year old in five years.”
I for one wish to see this idea spread further and it’s good to hear that people are trying to clear this shit up.
also, to Andrew Jones, you think someone who has gone to a rock concert is actually going to say “no, I’m sorry, that’s a little too loud, can you turn it down good chap?” you’re in la-la land.
nobody would do that as it would blow their ’street-cred’ and whilst this is still the predominant view, it’s not going to change.
so you need some trendsetters going “I’d like to not have ear damage, kthx”.
October 1st, 2008 at 2:39 pm
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December 12th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Well, maybe its time to get my side of the story as well?
Here goes….Ive been doing sound for 11 years now for various venues and clients, including VIP’s and some really big names, and this is the very first time ive received a bad review (cute euphemism for all the spitting on this page).
Anyhow….my side of the story:
Silver Dollar room is a small venue with a small stage and small dance floor. If your band chooses to turn their Marshall Stacks to 11 and your drummer’s snare hits the vocal mic 4 dB louder than the singer’s voice, the only solution to get the decent mix is to raise the vocals over the band levels, therefore raising the overall volume of the mix. This is basic audio understanding, we are not talking rocket science here.
The person that approached me was at first semi-polite, but was asking me to take the drums out of the mix!? Now, i dont mix like that, i simply dont want to put my name behind the crappy mix without kick and snare in it, so i tried to politely explain just that. The “polite” answer was “Are you fucking deaf?” Well…dude, you dont talk to me like that, especially if thats the question you should ask your crappy band members first. Any amateur musician knows that stage volume plays a crucial role in the overall mix. Just last week i mixed Alex Lifeson’s band at the Mod Club…at the sound check, Alex asked if his Marshall was too loud for the stage. Now, thats a professional. And a gentleman. And his stage volume was well under the volume that the bands had at the tiny Silver Dollar stage. Go figure.
So next time you amateurs want to be rude to a working professional, check if there is something wrong on your side first, please. Or just stay in the studio where indeed you can turn down whatever you want at any point.
Thank you.
Vladimir Skokovich, Audio Engineer
Silver Dollar Room, The Mod Club, The Art gallery Of Ontario
vskokovic@can.rogers.com
December 14th, 2008 at 9:01 am
@Vlad
I Find it odd that you are talking about professionalism, considering your actions that night. I do agree with you that the stage volume is a critical factor in the overall sound of a live performance. When I approached you that night it was between bands. We had the opportunity to fix any problems, like guitar amp levels etc. But your inflated ego wouldn’t allow you to work with me.
Last night I was at the Silver Dollar for the first time since the “Sliver Dollar Room Disaster,” to see the Douglas Watson R&B Revue. The sound was great. The levels were manageable. The engineer did something that you didn’t do once….he walked over to the audience side of the bar several times to listen to his mix and make sure things were sounding good.
Your attitude of throwing more volume at a problem, due to your inability to be diplomatic with musicians and promoters, is why I recommend musicians playing the Silver Dollar should ask for any sound engineer other than you.
December 15th, 2008 at 8:56 am
Haha…cute.
Anyhow…im to busy to engage in spitting match with you. Ill just say that opinions of people like Kim Simmonds (Savoy Brown), The Sadies, Garth Hudson (The Band) and countless, COUNTLESS other bands matter much much more than an opinion of real inflated-ego studio snob like you.
Thanks, Over & out.
Vlad
January 5th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Hey man, Vlad is my best friend-I also taught him everything I know. At his WORST, he never says anything like that. Vlad does NOT use profanity of any kind in front of ANYONE. You sir, are a big liar AND you must have said something to really piss him off.
Good luck next time
kip
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